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hey what's up everyone ryan sprague here

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before we get to this special panel

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discussion i have some people to thank

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for making it happen first and foremost

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peter robbins this panel originally

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aired on peter robin's radio show

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meanwhile here on earth on the kgra

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live for 24 hours this was an awesome

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panel discussion that three-fourths of

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the rogue planet team got to take part

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in myself jason mcclellan and shane

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heard we got to speak with robert salas

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all about his upcoming ufos and nukes

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conference happening october 19th at the

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national press club in washington dc

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this event will be live streamed for

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free on youtube all links are in the

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show notes special thanks once again to

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peter robbins bill skywatcher kgra and

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to robert salas i hope you enjoy

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this is somewhere in the skies with ryan

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sprague

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bob

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obviously i want to begin with you um

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some time back you announced

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that you were creating this initiative

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for this new event which will take place

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next month on october 19th

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can you tell us something about

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how you came to put this together

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your reasons for doing it and what we

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can expect to see uh on october 19th at

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the national press club

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yeah thanks peter um

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i think we have a very unique point in

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time here uh

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now that the

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dod the uh

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has admitted that this phenomenon is

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real it's not imaginary

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uh officially

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uh and in writing and and we we haven't

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heard those kind of words from uh from

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the government before um

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but i felt

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strongly uh after the report came out

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that um we were in for kind of a repeat

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of what we've seen before with this

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phenomenon that is um

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we would get a little bit of

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acknowledgement of this and that

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but nothing

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of substance

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in order to get

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to the issue to the substance of the

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matter uh we're going to have to have

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open hearings

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yes yeah and in order to have open

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hearings we're going to have to put

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on congress i know there's been a couple

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of congressmen and

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uh senator maybe uh who

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uh have mentioned open hearings

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uh knowing what i

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uh past events

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uh of course i've been researching this

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for over 25 years in public

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for over 25 years

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what usually happens is we get a little

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trips and drabs and

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so the purpose of this

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press conference

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in particular to focus on the ufo

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which has

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talked about too much in the media yes

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so we're gonna bring forward uh myself

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and three other strong witnesses

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and we're gonna give our details on very

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but they only represent the tip of the

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iceberg as you know yes

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there have been hundreds

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of incidents that have been documented

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primarily by robert hastings in his book

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ufos nukes and i want to give a big

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shout out to robert uh

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he has been very helpful to me in

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getting things put together and uh

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and so he'll be missed but um

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that's the purpose we're gonna have

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detailed evidence of of what transpired

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press package um

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and uh it will be live streamed

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outstanding uh free for everyone to

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a question as um

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a natural archivist and knowing the

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not some thing put together in

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somebody's basement but absolutely

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the five of us have looked at these

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come up with what i call my briefing

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it's been sent to members of congress

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things so they don't have official

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records of them yes and by them i mean

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these incidents involving ufos and

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have open hearings so we can bring more

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witnesses forward of course

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to our panel here any questions that

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to apologize my my mic was on mute

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during your introductions peter i wasn't

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ignoring anyone

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unforgivable racist

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good first uh good impression with with

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mr salas um i'd love to ask you bob um

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authorization act for a permanent ufo

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office and it seems that the one glaring

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agency that we're hearing nothing from

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nuclear situations with uap so i was

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curious if there was any ever dealings

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you know briefing and at the national

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press club and uh why why do you think

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um didn't mention any you know they they

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mentioned restricted airspace uh but

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production i think of nuclear weapons

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charge of the entire atomic program but

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intelligence agency is um

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that's why open hearings are critical

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preliminary assessment we got that there

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was no mention of nuclear site

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incursions uh you know we heard

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restricted air space but no mention

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whatsoever if they're going to go with

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this potential threat thing why wouldn't

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they mention nuclear sites at all in

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your personal opinion yeah that's a

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mystery to me too um

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nuclear facilities

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if i may jump in for a moment i i've

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given that question some thought as well

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and

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not surprising to us

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when

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the report dropped in june

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um

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shakespeare as usual got it right and it

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wasn't quite much to do wasn't

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completely much ado about nothing

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but

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you know it was so

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coy with a hammer

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it might be the russians it might be the

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chinese it might be some super secret

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agency or office within our government

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or military industrial complex that we

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the navy are not aware of or who knows

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it might just be

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this of course is

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nonsensical in that we know as well as

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we can know

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that they know

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that there is a very real likelihood

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that some stress not all truly anomalous

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ufos do represent advanced technology

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from parts unknown under intelligent

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control

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but

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for me that report

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was not the report it was the first of

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if they can get away with it many many

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many reports that they will drag along

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for the next several hundred years if

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they possibly could

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each one we've discovered something else

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or we have a little more information to

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give you

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what we can be assured of is that they

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will not

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willingly ever

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put anything in

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that they feel might panic the public or

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sound too science fictiony

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or be too exotic

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hence

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we'll never hear in any of the reports

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that come

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about abductions about

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um

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missing pregnancies about hybrids about

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these areas of study that are quite real

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but to the general public are

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problematic and if we were to say

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these

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the power to shut down

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our most advanced most deadly weapon

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systems

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that could be upsetting for some people

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but in fact it's a core fact as you know

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better than most people bob yeah yeah

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that would be a major story but the even

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the bigger story is

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uh the very fact that government our

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government uh and other governments

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around the world

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have been keeping these secrets for

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decades yes decades literally uh

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and

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i think that's the

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the big uh

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uh

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big elephant in the room that the

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governments just don't want to admit to

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that

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they have indeed been keeping these

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secrets and

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i think that's the

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the really big story here um again

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before turning it back to our panel um

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military hubris

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human ego

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uh

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the idea that if we were to make even a

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token admission

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either via the president's office or

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what have you it would mean admitting

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that the leading figures in our

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government who were briefed to know what

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was going on have all been unindicted

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co-conspirators and the greatest

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cover-up in the history of humanity and

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they're a little sensitive about that

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go figure

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um

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gentlemen

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next question for robert salas well i'll

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jump in with one and first of all bob i

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just want to congratulate you and say

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kudos for putting this together i mean

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that is no small task and it's it's

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hugely appreciated i was really excited

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to see when i saw that you'd manage to

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put this together but i know we've all

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been excitedly watching

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you know kind of the the shift in public

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attitude toward this topic we've seen

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the government's

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maybe renewed interest in this subject

402
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a lot going on right now

403
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certainly the climate seems to have

404
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shifted a little bit

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but

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how do you see

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the attitude within the government um

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and their reaction to an event like this

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at the the press club

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as being any different from how it's

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been the several times before that there

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have been ufo-related events at the

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national press club and when this topic

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i mean this is certainly not the first

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time you brought this topic to the

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public's attention and you've spoken

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before about it at the national press

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club so how do you see this event given

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the current uh temperament the current

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climate with this topic how do you see

421
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it being different this time around

422
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well a couple of ways

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jason

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uh number one uh i'm not alone in this

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uh

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we're gonna have

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have to have a public outcry uh for more

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information

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the

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odni house of

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defense

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national intelligence

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in its report stated they have to look

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into the possibility that this is a

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national security issue that's in

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writing that's in print

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and congress knows it

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the dod knows it

439
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and they're going to have to address it

440
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well i'm pressing the issue on ufos and

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nukes and that is definitely

442
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an area of interest of national security

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so there's no backing away from that

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topic now it's um

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it's on public record and uh and so i'm

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gonna

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press the issue with this press club

448
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and it will the res the reason i wanted

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it uh

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to be a um

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uh stream live all

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all over the world basically because

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it's going to be on youtube

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is to bring public pressure to bear

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on our congress our government

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to look into this particular topic which

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they have not done

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uh does that answer

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it certainly does absolutely and i agree

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with you completely i mean it for

461
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us right here we five it seems weird to

462
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keep repeating these things over and

463
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over and over but you're exactly right i

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mean the general public

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still

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even though these stories have been told

467
00:18:55,029 --> 00:18:52,880
countless times they're still not aware

468
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that these things are happening and even

469
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i always have to remind people going

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back to very baby steps even though the

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government has been saying these things

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on the record the large majority of the

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general public is still stuck at that

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very baby step uh believing that ufos

475
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just unknown objects exist in our

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airspace that's the baby step we're

477
00:19:18,789 --> 00:19:14,000
still stuck at with a lot of the general

478
00:19:20,070 --> 00:19:18,799
public exactly exactly right jason

479
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we need to get

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the public to fully

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[Music]

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not only realize but but accept the idea

483
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that we are indeed being visited um

484
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uh

485
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know

486
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are these extraterrestrial objects is a

487
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relatively simple logic

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and

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it's it's very easy if these

490
00:19:48,870 --> 00:19:47,919
uh what has been observed

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uh

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could not have been produced on planet

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earth then it must have been produced

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elsewhere

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uh and by these observations you know

496
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uh the

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extreme speeds uh flying uh

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above um

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you know mach five

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making 90 degree turns

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silently hovering

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those kinds of things

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and you know frankly on a very elemental

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level

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it doesn't really matter at this stage

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in the game at the very very

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introductory exploration of this it

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doesn't matter where they're from right

509
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if they're extraterrestrial or not the

510
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very fact that they exist and they're

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doing what they do

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that

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should concern some people and encourage

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everybody to want to look into it more

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so

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you know that's good to see you right

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now from the scientific community and we

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do have the scientific community taking

519
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a look now yes absolutely uh recently um

520
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ai double a is it

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that organization aeronautics and

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astronautics

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has

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we have more and more

525
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uh i know avialopa harvard

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astrophysicist is taking a strong

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interest in it

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and uh michoku etc

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so

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i think it's coming things are changing

531
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i definitely

532
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think things are changing in the

533
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scientific community and in the public

534
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in general

535
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without question and for well over three

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years now

537
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uh there has been

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an incredibly noticeable

539
00:21:30,710 --> 00:21:29,760
uh dissipation

540
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in

541
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the power of ridicule

542
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um

543
00:21:41,029 --> 00:21:38,470
most people that had an interest in the

544
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subject but weren't you know identified

545
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with it like we are

546
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would essentially keep it to themselves

547
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or share it with people that they knew

548
00:21:52,870 --> 00:21:51,120
it was okay to share it with without a

549
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fear of ridicule and one thing i think

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we can say now that is creating a

551
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healthier and healthier climate for

552
00:22:03,029 --> 00:22:00,799
information like this to be

553
00:22:04,789 --> 00:22:03,039
presented in a compelling way

554
00:22:07,029 --> 00:22:04,799
is more and more people care less and

555
00:22:09,510 --> 00:22:07,039
less what other people think about what

556
00:22:11,029 --> 00:22:09,520
they think about this subject and that's

557
00:22:12,630 --> 00:22:11,039
landmark

558
00:22:14,549 --> 00:22:12,640
it also

559
00:22:15,590 --> 00:22:14,559
makes perfect sense

560
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that

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as powerful as it was in 2013 with steve

562
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bassett's remarkable disclosure event at

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the national press club

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to have

565
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uh for people like me there testifying

566
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as well as people like you with a solid

567
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military background

568
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is to do this with colleagues

569
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with

570
00:22:44,070 --> 00:22:41,440
guilt ed's military backgrounds it has a

571
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certain gravitas that

572
00:22:49,590 --> 00:22:46,400
most regular folks respect

573
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oh you know you served you had this rank

574
00:22:53,350 --> 00:22:51,280
you alleged to have been involved in

575
00:22:54,470 --> 00:22:53,360
this incident i will take you more

576
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seriously

577
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than somebody with a civilian background

578
00:23:03,110 --> 00:22:58,559
right or wrong that's the way we

579
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what's up guys ryan dropping in to wish

580
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586
00:23:26,630 --> 00:23:23,760
the concept is pretty simple

587
00:23:29,510 --> 00:23:26,640
jim talks to regular folks about strange

588
00:23:32,549 --> 00:23:29,520
stuff that happens to them and yes that

589
00:23:35,830 --> 00:23:32,559
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590
00:23:38,710 --> 00:23:35,840
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591
00:23:41,430 --> 00:23:38,720
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592
00:23:44,070 --> 00:23:41,440
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593
00:23:46,470 --> 00:23:44,080
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594
00:23:49,750 --> 00:23:46,480
peaceful near-death experience

595
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596
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[Music]

619
00:24:56,470 --> 00:24:53,600
i'd love to piggyback off of that

620
00:24:58,230 --> 00:24:56,480
quickly peter um the stigma and ridicule

621
00:25:00,390 --> 00:24:58,240
shedding that was one of the big things

622
00:25:02,149 --> 00:25:00,400
they said in that assessment is they

623
00:25:04,630 --> 00:25:02,159
want to shed the stigma within the

624
00:25:08,070 --> 00:25:04,640
military so that they will report these

625
00:25:10,149 --> 00:25:08,080
things and that was extremely uh

626
00:25:13,350 --> 00:25:10,159
hopeful to hear that and i can only

627
00:25:15,669 --> 00:25:13,360
imagine and also the dod saying if you

628
00:25:17,669 --> 00:25:15,679
see a ufo or uap you have to report it

629
00:25:19,990 --> 00:25:17,679
within i think two weeks or something

630
00:25:21,269 --> 00:25:20,000
they said i mean this is uncanny what

631
00:25:22,870 --> 00:25:21,279
they're kind of

632
00:25:24,870 --> 00:25:22,880
we've never seen anything like that so

633
00:25:27,590 --> 00:25:24,880
i'd love to know bob um

634
00:25:28,549 --> 00:25:27,600
since this report has come out and since

635
00:25:31,190 --> 00:25:28,559
you know

636
00:25:33,110 --> 00:25:31,200
that ridicule factor is shedding within

637
00:25:35,590 --> 00:25:33,120
the military and i guess in the

638
00:25:38,710 --> 00:25:35,600
intelligence agencies are you seeing an

639
00:25:42,149 --> 00:25:38,720
influx of more reports of nuclear

640
00:25:44,230 --> 00:25:42,159
ufo uh sightings or um will we hear of

641
00:25:45,990 --> 00:25:44,240
new cases at the at the conference

642
00:25:48,710 --> 00:25:46,000
possibly

643
00:25:49,909 --> 00:25:48,720
uh yes i'll uh

644
00:25:51,029 --> 00:25:49,919
i'll mention

645
00:25:55,669 --> 00:25:51,039
uh

646
00:25:59,430 --> 00:25:55,679
the four that will be

647
00:26:03,110 --> 00:25:59,440
speaking i'll mention other witnesses

648
00:26:05,510 --> 00:26:03,120
of course some of them have passed

649
00:26:11,510 --> 00:26:08,470
just as a teaser

650
00:26:13,110 --> 00:26:11,520
there's information of fairly recent

651
00:26:16,149 --> 00:26:13,120
cases

652
00:26:17,269 --> 00:26:16,159
of ufos over nuclear weapons facilities

653
00:26:20,549 --> 00:26:17,279
uh

654
00:26:22,870 --> 00:26:20,559
that i'll just mention but um

655
00:26:25,350 --> 00:26:22,880
again some of these witnesses are

656
00:26:30,630 --> 00:26:25,360
reluctant to come forward

657
00:26:34,950 --> 00:26:31,669
so

658
00:26:36,710 --> 00:26:34,960
and don't want to be named

659
00:26:38,870 --> 00:26:36,720
but so even though

660
00:26:39,909 --> 00:26:38,880
the ridicule factor is just one factor

661
00:26:42,149 --> 00:26:39,919
of course

662
00:26:46,149 --> 00:26:42,159
the other factor is

663
00:26:49,750 --> 00:26:46,159
concern about their careers their jobs

664
00:26:52,710 --> 00:26:49,760
even concerned about their safety

665
00:26:53,990 --> 00:26:52,720
so these are still hurdles that need to

666
00:26:56,230 --> 00:26:54,000
be overcome

667
00:26:57,430 --> 00:26:56,240
and i think open hearings will go a

668
00:26:59,430 --> 00:26:57,440
great

669
00:27:00,310 --> 00:26:59,440
uh deal

670
00:27:03,990 --> 00:27:00,320
to

671
00:27:07,990 --> 00:27:05,110
you know

672
00:27:09,110 --> 00:27:08,000
i i had a question for for bob if i

673
00:27:11,590 --> 00:27:09,120
could

674
00:27:13,350 --> 00:27:11,600
um first of all i wanted to say you know

675
00:27:15,669 --> 00:27:13,360
thank you for the presentation you made

676
00:27:18,070 --> 00:27:15,679
at the mufon uh symposium it was

677
00:27:20,310 --> 00:27:18,080
fascinating i learned a lot from that it

678
00:27:21,110 --> 00:27:20,320
was really great so i really appreciated

679
00:27:24,710 --> 00:27:21,120
that

680
00:27:27,350 --> 00:27:24,720
um kind of tagging along on this this uh

681
00:27:29,830 --> 00:27:27,360
recently released report

682
00:27:31,269 --> 00:27:29,840
uh one thing i think is an elephant in

683
00:27:33,029 --> 00:27:31,279
the room first of all i really

684
00:27:37,029 --> 00:27:33,039
appreciate that the navy's you know

685
00:27:39,350 --> 00:27:37,039
taking the lead uh on this topic and um

686
00:27:41,590 --> 00:27:39,360
you know this investigation and so forth

687
00:27:43,590 --> 00:27:41,600
but what really stands out to me is

688
00:27:45,269 --> 00:27:43,600
where's the air force on this thing i

689
00:27:47,590 --> 00:27:45,279
mean um

690
00:27:49,909 --> 00:27:47,600
do you think that they they just have

691
00:27:51,350 --> 00:27:49,919
had enough after project blue book and

692
00:27:53,750 --> 00:27:51,360
they're just keeping their head down and

693
00:27:54,470 --> 00:27:53,760
they don't want to participate anymore

694
00:28:00,070 --> 00:27:54,480
or

695
00:28:02,470 --> 00:28:00,080
me it just it screams loudly where are

696
00:28:04,149 --> 00:28:02,480
they in and what are they doing they

697
00:28:06,549 --> 00:28:04,159
probably have a

698
00:28:08,950 --> 00:28:06,559
bunch of information behind the scenes

699
00:28:10,710 --> 00:28:08,960
um that could be of use and i don't know

700
00:28:12,310 --> 00:28:10,720
if they're cooperating i suppose they

701
00:28:14,070 --> 00:28:12,320
must be with the

702
00:28:16,310 --> 00:28:14,080
congressional report and all those

703
00:28:19,029 --> 00:28:16,320
requirements

704
00:28:22,070 --> 00:28:19,039
yeah shane that's a great question

705
00:28:24,230 --> 00:28:22,080
i'm chuckling um

706
00:28:25,990 --> 00:28:24,240
first of all i'm an air force academy

707
00:28:29,029 --> 00:28:26,000
grad right and i

708
00:28:31,750 --> 00:28:29,039
i consider myself a professional uh

709
00:28:34,710 --> 00:28:31,760
lifetime officer before i resigned but

710
00:28:40,310 --> 00:28:37,669
the air force uh is probably hiding

711
00:28:41,669 --> 00:28:40,320
their head in shame right now

712
00:28:43,350 --> 00:28:41,679
because

713
00:28:46,950 --> 00:28:43,360
even though they

714
00:28:49,510 --> 00:28:46,960
you know in 1969 they issued a statement

715
00:28:51,269 --> 00:28:49,520
on ufos stating

716
00:28:52,789 --> 00:28:51,279
they were not of national security

717
00:28:54,789 --> 00:28:52,799
interests and

718
00:28:57,990 --> 00:28:54,799
as a result of

719
00:28:59,909 --> 00:28:58,000
the so-called condon investigation

720
00:29:01,830 --> 00:28:59,919
which was a complete whitewash by the

721
00:29:04,549 --> 00:29:01,840
way and i talked about that at the

722
00:29:07,430 --> 00:29:04,559
length in my latest book

723
00:29:12,710 --> 00:29:10,789
since 1969 the official position of the

724
00:29:14,630 --> 00:29:12,720
air force is

725
00:29:16,470 --> 00:29:14,640
what i just said it's not of great

726
00:29:18,630 --> 00:29:16,480
interest to them it's not a

727
00:29:22,070 --> 00:29:18,640
national security issue

728
00:29:24,549 --> 00:29:22,080
and therefore we're not going to

729
00:29:28,310 --> 00:29:24,559
evaluate reports ask for reports or

730
00:29:30,149 --> 00:29:28,320
study reports on ufos

731
00:29:32,470 --> 00:29:30,159
but it wasn't long after that they

732
00:29:34,950 --> 00:29:32,480
started having

733
00:29:37,110 --> 00:29:34,960
more sightings over nuclear bases and i

734
00:29:38,789 --> 00:29:37,120
know 1975

735
00:29:41,510 --> 00:29:38,799
for example

736
00:29:42,870 --> 00:29:41,520
there were again um

737
00:29:45,669 --> 00:29:42,880
signings

738
00:29:47,350 --> 00:29:45,679
uh at mountain air force base

739
00:29:49,269 --> 00:29:47,360
76

740
00:29:50,149 --> 00:29:49,279
77

741
00:29:52,830 --> 00:29:50,159
uh

742
00:29:55,750 --> 00:29:52,840
on and on 79

743
00:29:57,269 --> 00:29:55,760
uh i could i could list quite a few

744
00:30:01,190 --> 00:29:57,279
instances

745
00:30:02,950 --> 00:30:01,200
up until like i say uh 2018

746
00:30:06,470 --> 00:30:02,960
2018

747
00:30:08,950 --> 00:30:06,480
uh reports of nuclear

748
00:30:11,430 --> 00:30:08,960
incursions by ufos

749
00:30:14,230 --> 00:30:11,440
at nuclear weapons bases so

750
00:30:16,070 --> 00:30:14,240
the air force is trying to hide but uh i

751
00:30:17,269 --> 00:30:16,080
don't think they'll be successful for

752
00:30:21,830 --> 00:30:17,279
long

753
00:30:23,510 --> 00:30:21,840
at least not after our presentations

754
00:30:26,070 --> 00:30:23,520
um great

755
00:30:32,870 --> 00:30:30,389
as a young student of of ufology um

756
00:30:36,470 --> 00:30:32,880
i encountered the

757
00:30:38,470 --> 00:30:36,480
work of dr edward ew condon who headed

758
00:30:40,789 --> 00:30:38,480
up that committee and the more i learned

759
00:30:43,990 --> 00:30:40,799
about him the more he seemed the exact

760
00:30:45,190 --> 00:30:44,000
wrong person for the job uh dedicated to

761
00:30:47,909 --> 00:30:45,200
debunking

762
00:30:49,830 --> 00:30:47,919
and i'm tempted to say irreverent as it

763
00:30:50,470 --> 00:30:49,840
is it might be more appropriate to call

764
00:30:52,149 --> 00:30:50,480
it

765
00:30:52,950 --> 00:30:52,159
the condom report

766
00:30:55,190 --> 00:30:52,960
but

767
00:30:57,990 --> 00:30:55,200
it's my show and i can say that

768
00:31:02,710 --> 00:31:01,269
can you say that on air peter

769
00:31:09,590 --> 00:31:02,720
let's all say it together a condom

770
00:31:14,470 --> 00:31:12,230
um i think that's okay in this day and

771
00:31:17,110 --> 00:31:14,480
age um

772
00:31:19,669 --> 00:31:18,549
the reality

773
00:31:20,950 --> 00:31:19,679
of

774
00:31:22,950 --> 00:31:20,960
being

775
00:31:25,190 --> 00:31:22,960
a military officer

776
00:31:26,149 --> 00:31:25,200
and being caught up in an event like

777
00:31:28,389 --> 00:31:26,159
this

778
00:31:30,470 --> 00:31:28,399
is an abstraction

779
00:31:31,430 --> 00:31:30,480
to any one of us that has not had it

780
00:31:34,630 --> 00:31:31,440
happen

781
00:31:37,190 --> 00:31:34,640
and over the decades i've spoken with a

782
00:31:38,470 --> 00:31:37,200
small number of former military

783
00:31:40,630 --> 00:31:38,480
personnel

784
00:31:42,549 --> 00:31:40,640
who have shared with me bits and pieces

785
00:31:44,470 --> 00:31:42,559
of events

786
00:31:47,190 --> 00:31:44,480
i know we're not here to talk about your

787
00:31:51,269 --> 00:31:47,200
book bob but can

788
00:31:54,389 --> 00:31:51,279
the the impact of that event in 1967

789
00:31:56,710 --> 00:31:54,399
has to had to have transformed you

790
00:31:58,549 --> 00:31:56,720
obviously you couldn't go

791
00:32:00,710 --> 00:31:58,559
public as uh

792
00:32:03,430 --> 00:32:00,720
you know a zealot to get to the bottom

793
00:32:05,269 --> 00:32:03,440
of this in public at that time

794
00:32:07,110 --> 00:32:05,279
but

795
00:32:10,149 --> 00:32:07,120
could you characterize the change that

796
00:32:12,789 --> 00:32:10,159
you went through having lived through

797
00:32:16,149 --> 00:32:12,799
watching you know essentially the nukes

798
00:32:18,950 --> 00:32:16,159
uh the the ufos that were above ground

799
00:32:20,149 --> 00:32:18,960
that you were hearing referred to

800
00:32:25,669 --> 00:32:20,159
you know

801
00:32:32,630 --> 00:32:30,470
uh yeah peter uh i can tell you that was

802
00:32:34,710 --> 00:32:32,640
life-changing no doubt about it before

803
00:32:36,789 --> 00:32:34,720
the incident um

804
00:32:37,990 --> 00:32:36,799
i didn't think about ufos at all even

805
00:32:40,870 --> 00:32:38,000
though there were

806
00:32:44,549 --> 00:32:40,880
newspaper reports in the great falls

807
00:32:46,389 --> 00:32:44,559
tribune all that week in previous weeks

808
00:32:47,430 --> 00:32:46,399
i was reading reports about lights in

809
00:32:50,389 --> 00:32:47,440
the sky

810
00:32:52,630 --> 00:32:50,399
i just laughed it off um

811
00:32:53,509 --> 00:32:52,640
i'll tell you what really got to me

812
00:32:55,190 --> 00:32:53,519
was

813
00:32:58,389 --> 00:32:55,200
the

814
00:33:00,230 --> 00:32:58,399
abject fear those guys upstairs were

815
00:33:03,110 --> 00:33:00,240
feeling as they were

816
00:33:05,190 --> 00:33:03,120
uh confronting this object they were

817
00:33:08,389 --> 00:33:05,200
very very close to it

818
00:33:10,870 --> 00:33:08,399
there was a pulsating red-orange light

819
00:33:11,669 --> 00:33:10,880
just hovering there silently

820
00:33:16,230 --> 00:33:11,679
uh

821
00:33:18,389 --> 00:33:16,240
the next day of course i was sworn to

822
00:33:20,549 --> 00:33:18,399
secrecy had to sign a

823
00:33:23,430 --> 00:33:20,559
nondisclosure statement

824
00:33:26,070 --> 00:33:23,440
but the uh the guards

825
00:33:28,389 --> 00:33:26,080
a group of the guards called me at home

826
00:33:30,470 --> 00:33:28,399
the next morning

827
00:33:32,149 --> 00:33:30,480
after

828
00:33:34,070 --> 00:33:32,159
it happened and

829
00:33:36,070 --> 00:33:34,080
begged me literally begged me to come

830
00:33:38,549 --> 00:33:36,080
and talk to them

831
00:33:40,630 --> 00:33:38,559
and see if we could figure out what the

832
00:33:42,950 --> 00:33:40,640
heck was going on

833
00:33:45,750 --> 00:33:42,960
and i had to turn them down uh

834
00:33:48,149 --> 00:33:45,760
to me that was uh

835
00:33:49,990 --> 00:33:48,159
that was what stuck with me that's just

836
00:33:53,590 --> 00:33:50,000
let's just say that it just stuck with

837
00:33:55,990 --> 00:33:53,600
me for over 27 years

838
00:33:59,190 --> 00:33:56,000
that i had to stay silent about this

839
00:34:02,149 --> 00:33:59,200
yeah yeah and thank god for

840
00:34:05,509 --> 00:34:02,159
peter i'm sorry ray fowler

841
00:34:06,870 --> 00:34:05,519
yes who you're aware of i'm sure sure

842
00:34:09,750 --> 00:34:06,880
who is your

843
00:34:11,990 --> 00:34:09,760
who is still alive by the way he sure is

844
00:34:13,030 --> 00:34:12,000
working on a new book

845
00:34:16,550 --> 00:34:13,040
he is

846
00:34:19,190 --> 00:34:16,560
and if it wasn't for him i i certainly

847
00:34:21,750 --> 00:34:19,200
could not have uh

848
00:34:23,669 --> 00:34:21,760
come forward because it was his

849
00:34:26,629 --> 00:34:23,679
uh story in this in the christian

850
00:34:29,510 --> 00:34:26,639
science monitor in 1973

851
00:34:32,629 --> 00:34:29,520
that uh timothy good somehow got a hold

852
00:34:35,750 --> 00:34:32,639
of and put in his book above top secret

853
00:34:39,430 --> 00:34:35,760
and a result of mike uh

854
00:34:41,510 --> 00:34:39,440
reading a a small paragraph in that book

855
00:34:43,030 --> 00:34:41,520
that um

856
00:34:45,349 --> 00:34:43,040
i had

857
00:34:48,389 --> 00:34:45,359
i decided to come forward after

858
00:34:50,310 --> 00:34:48,399
receiving documents from the air force

859
00:34:51,990 --> 00:34:50,320
under the free innovation the freedom of

860
00:34:54,310 --> 00:34:52,000
information act

861
00:34:57,510 --> 00:34:54,320
well not surprisingly bob

862
00:35:00,310 --> 00:34:57,520
uh ray fowler wrote

863
00:35:01,349 --> 00:35:00,320
a really elegant um

864
00:35:02,790 --> 00:35:01,359
forward

865
00:35:06,390 --> 00:35:02,800
to um

866
00:35:07,510 --> 00:35:06,400
your and james klotz's book faded giant

867
00:35:10,310 --> 00:35:07,520
and

868
00:35:11,349 --> 00:35:10,320
if i may take a liberty um

869
00:35:15,670 --> 00:35:11,359
the

870
00:35:18,150 --> 00:35:15,680
weapons technology when you were a

871
00:35:20,710 --> 00:35:18,160
a nuclear missiles officer

872
00:35:24,630 --> 00:35:20,720
you were um overseeing

873
00:35:26,310 --> 00:35:24,640
a battery of minutemen missiles correct

874
00:35:27,430 --> 00:35:26,320
right middlemen won

875
00:35:30,870 --> 00:35:27,440
yeah

876
00:35:32,710 --> 00:35:30,880
if i may um i've collected some images

877
00:35:34,150 --> 00:35:32,720
here and i just like to go through them

878
00:35:36,870 --> 00:35:34,160
fairly quickly

879
00:35:39,030 --> 00:35:36,880
this is a fairly substantial missile and

880
00:35:41,990 --> 00:35:39,040
i know that

881
00:35:44,390 --> 00:35:42,000
even all these years later

882
00:35:47,270 --> 00:35:44,400
it would be inappropriate to ask you

883
00:35:49,510 --> 00:35:47,280
specifics about

884
00:35:51,510 --> 00:35:49,520
its power um

885
00:35:53,510 --> 00:35:51,520
how many

886
00:35:55,589 --> 00:35:53,520
megatons etc

887
00:35:59,349 --> 00:35:55,599
but

888
00:36:01,910 --> 00:35:59,359
i just wanted to sometimes images and

889
00:36:04,550 --> 00:36:01,920
again i'm a very visual person

890
00:36:05,589 --> 00:36:04,560
can bring a point home and underscore

891
00:36:09,349 --> 00:36:05,599
words

892
00:36:10,950 --> 00:36:09,359
we have these underground at locations

893
00:36:12,710 --> 00:36:10,960
around this country

894
00:36:14,150 --> 00:36:12,720
in other countries

895
00:36:16,150 --> 00:36:14,160
ready to go

896
00:36:17,270 --> 00:36:16,160
on a moment's notice

897
00:36:22,230 --> 00:36:17,280
and

898
00:36:24,150 --> 00:36:22,240
realize you were there

899
00:36:26,790 --> 00:36:24,160
as a schematic

900
00:36:30,390 --> 00:36:26,800
as schematics like this illustrate

901
00:36:30,400 --> 00:36:33,109
and

902
00:36:36,710 --> 00:36:34,470
ah that's

903
00:36:38,950 --> 00:36:36,720
part of another thing but yeah the

904
00:36:40,790 --> 00:36:38,960
reality of

905
00:36:41,670 --> 00:36:40,800
being stationed

906
00:36:42,790 --> 00:36:41,680
there

907
00:36:45,270 --> 00:36:42,800
um

908
00:36:47,670 --> 00:36:45,280
in the middle of a very remote area

909
00:36:48,870 --> 00:36:47,680
and that blast door you know you could

910
00:36:50,710 --> 00:36:48,880
go by

911
00:36:53,910 --> 00:36:50,720
if there were roads you know 100 feet

912
00:36:57,190 --> 00:36:53,920
away and not even see that blast door

913
00:36:58,870 --> 00:36:57,200
right there anyway i i just wanted to um

914
00:37:00,390 --> 00:36:58,880
share those with you as well as this

915
00:37:04,710 --> 00:37:00,400
portrait of a very

916
00:37:11,750 --> 00:37:07,990
that's a handsome captain yeah

917
00:37:16,230 --> 00:37:14,310
if he said turn that key you should turn

918
00:37:17,190 --> 00:37:16,240
that key

919
00:37:19,030 --> 00:37:17,200
um

920
00:37:21,270 --> 00:37:19,040
very briefly for anybody that's never

921
00:37:23,510 --> 00:37:21,280
visited the national press club

922
00:37:27,190 --> 00:37:23,520
it is a location

923
00:37:28,069 --> 00:37:27,200
with the uh the class i think one could

924
00:37:28,950 --> 00:37:28,079
say

925
00:37:31,670 --> 00:37:28,960
um

926
00:37:34,710 --> 00:37:31,680
that would one would want to see

927
00:37:37,510 --> 00:37:34,720
um for an event like this there is

928
00:37:40,870 --> 00:37:37,520
robert salas off to the left

929
00:37:46,630 --> 00:37:40,880
and these shots were taken by me in

930
00:37:46,640 --> 00:37:49,510
another one there

931
00:37:55,270 --> 00:37:52,069
again uh a break time

932
00:37:58,390 --> 00:37:55,280
and um here's a shot of you bob

933
00:38:00,630 --> 00:37:58,400
with somebody who we just lost and who

934
00:38:01,750 --> 00:38:00,640
i'm so glad i got to meet

935
00:38:02,829 --> 00:38:01,760
was

936
00:38:05,670 --> 00:38:02,839
there at the

937
00:38:08,710 --> 00:38:05,680
time actually um

938
00:38:09,589 --> 00:38:08,720
paul hillier is when he came forward he

939
00:38:12,550 --> 00:38:09,599
was

940
00:38:14,870 --> 00:38:12,560
the highest ranking government official

941
00:38:18,069 --> 00:38:14,880
in history to come forward and say i

942
00:38:19,750 --> 00:38:18,079
take this seriously and paul hilliard

943
00:38:23,270 --> 00:38:19,760
was the former

944
00:38:24,790 --> 00:38:23,280
secretary of defense for canada

945
00:38:26,470 --> 00:38:24,800
major player

946
00:38:28,550 --> 00:38:26,480
and uh

947
00:38:32,790 --> 00:38:28,560
us with some of our colleagues at the

948
00:38:38,069 --> 00:38:35,750
yeah it was a spectacular job and again

949
00:38:40,550 --> 00:38:38,079
thanks eternally to

950
00:38:44,390 --> 00:38:40,560
the amazing human machine that we call

951
00:38:47,910 --> 00:38:44,400
steven bassett for creating this

952
00:38:50,150 --> 00:38:47,920
yeah i agree peter uh cms has done a

953
00:38:52,069 --> 00:38:50,160
great job through the years uh

954
00:38:53,589 --> 00:38:52,079
pushing for disclosure

955
00:38:54,790 --> 00:38:53,599
yes uh

956
00:38:59,109 --> 00:38:54,800
and uh

957
00:39:01,109 --> 00:38:59,119
i thoroughly enjoyed that 2013 event

958
00:39:01,990 --> 00:39:01,119
it almost felt like an actual hearing

959
00:39:05,109 --> 00:39:02,000
didn't it

960
00:39:06,550 --> 00:39:05,119
it surely did and again um as anybody

961
00:39:07,510 --> 00:39:06,560
that's not aware

962
00:39:10,870 --> 00:39:07,520
uh

963
00:39:12,390 --> 00:39:10,880
stephen had received a massive donation

964
00:39:15,349 --> 00:39:12,400
to create this

965
00:39:18,790 --> 00:39:15,359
and he had the funds

966
00:39:19,750 --> 00:39:18,800
to hire at an extraordinarily generous

967
00:39:22,390 --> 00:39:19,760
rate

968
00:39:25,990 --> 00:39:22,400
serving senators or congressional

969
00:39:27,990 --> 00:39:26,000
representatives to simply take some time

970
00:39:30,390 --> 00:39:28,000
i think it was scheduled at a time that

971
00:39:32,630 --> 00:39:30,400
congress was not in session

972
00:39:35,430 --> 00:39:32,640
and not surprisingly not a single one of

973
00:39:38,069 --> 00:39:35,440
them showed up but none of them were

974
00:39:41,190 --> 00:39:38,079
willing again to risk ridicule

975
00:39:43,750 --> 00:39:41,200
by being on that panel in this

976
00:39:45,670 --> 00:39:43,760
simulated congressional investigation

977
00:39:48,470 --> 00:39:45,680
and steve did the next best thing and he

978
00:39:49,910 --> 00:39:48,480
re he hired a number of retired

979
00:39:50,950 --> 00:39:49,920
congressional

980
00:39:54,069 --> 00:39:50,960
well

981
00:39:57,030 --> 00:39:54,079
representatives and one retired senator

982
00:39:58,630 --> 00:39:57,040
and it was very interesting

983
00:40:01,349 --> 00:39:58,640
i think they were all honest and they

984
00:40:03,109 --> 00:40:01,359
did as good a job as they could in

985
00:40:06,309 --> 00:40:03,119
doing what they would normally do if it

986
00:40:08,390 --> 00:40:06,319
were a real official event and uh to

987
00:40:10,309 --> 00:40:08,400
watch some of their minds change

988
00:40:12,870 --> 00:40:10,319
and many of them were really frank about

989
00:40:15,510 --> 00:40:12,880
it in their closing remarks so

990
00:40:19,349 --> 00:40:15,520
again you are following in marvelous

991
00:40:21,829 --> 00:40:19,359
footsteps here and the location is the

992
00:40:24,710 --> 00:40:21,839
best location you could have to

993
00:40:26,790 --> 00:40:24,720
underscore the seriousness of this event

994
00:40:28,710 --> 00:40:26,800
next month

995
00:40:30,710 --> 00:40:28,720
uh yes peter um

996
00:40:33,910 --> 00:40:30,720
let me just mention real quickly we've

997
00:40:36,390 --> 00:40:33,920
still got our fundraising event going um

998
00:40:38,950 --> 00:40:36,400
if you visit my

999
00:40:41,670 --> 00:40:38,960
facebook page there's a link there but

1000
00:40:43,510 --> 00:40:41,680
it's a gofundme page

1001
00:40:47,990 --> 00:40:43,520
we're almost to the

1002
00:40:51,670 --> 00:40:48,000
goal of uh 13 000 and uh

1003
00:40:53,510 --> 00:40:51,680
i know that sounds like a lot of money

1004
00:40:57,030 --> 00:40:53,520
but

1005
00:41:00,150 --> 00:40:57,040
it is uh an amount that's uh

1006
00:41:01,349 --> 00:41:00,160
necessary to put this on and do a good

1007
00:41:05,510 --> 00:41:01,359
job

1008
00:41:07,349 --> 00:41:05,520
in fact um of the 13 000 you have raised

1009
00:41:09,829 --> 00:41:07,359
about twelve thousand already haven't

1010
00:41:11,990 --> 00:41:09,839
you yes we're over twelve thousand i

1011
00:41:14,230 --> 00:41:12,000
think we're uh let's count twelve

1012
00:41:16,630 --> 00:41:14,240
thousand one hundred and one

1013
00:41:18,950 --> 00:41:16,640
well this is one of those moments

1014
00:41:20,790 --> 00:41:18,960
where listeners and viewers who are

1015
00:41:23,030 --> 00:41:20,800
interested in this subject

1016
00:41:25,430 --> 00:41:23,040
take it seriously

1017
00:41:26,470 --> 00:41:25,440
and beyond that want to see real change

1018
00:41:28,550 --> 00:41:26,480
occur

1019
00:41:31,030 --> 00:41:28,560
where you can make a difference so

1020
00:41:33,510 --> 00:41:31,040
please consider visiting

1021
00:41:34,390 --> 00:41:33,520
bob's facebook page and making a

1022
00:41:36,390 --> 00:41:34,400
donation

1023
00:41:39,349 --> 00:41:36,400
and let's uh over the top

1024
00:41:42,150 --> 00:41:39,359
peter if i might add

1025
00:41:44,950 --> 00:41:42,160
a special offer just for your audience

1026
00:41:49,829 --> 00:41:47,190
anyone who donates a hundred dollars or

1027
00:41:51,910 --> 00:41:49,839
more i will uh send them one of my my

1028
00:41:54,790 --> 00:41:51,920
book uh faded giant

1029
00:41:57,109 --> 00:41:54,800
uh signed copy and uh

1030
00:41:59,430 --> 00:41:57,119
and uh it'll be sent to their home free

1031
00:42:01,349 --> 00:41:59,440
of charge

1032
00:42:03,829 --> 00:42:01,359
um

1033
00:42:20,630 --> 00:42:03,839
i

1034
00:42:21,589 --> 00:42:20,640
ufos and nukes

1035
00:42:23,030 --> 00:42:21,599
is

1036
00:42:25,990 --> 00:42:23,040
a groundbreaker

1037
00:42:28,870 --> 00:42:26,000
but there are bloody few

1038
00:42:30,630 --> 00:42:28,880
accounts by individuals involved in ufo

1039
00:42:33,270 --> 00:42:30,640
nuclear events

1040
00:42:35,670 --> 00:42:33,280
i i highly recommend it so please

1041
00:42:38,150 --> 00:42:35,680
consider for both of those reasons

1042
00:42:42,390 --> 00:42:38,160
support this work um

1043
00:42:44,630 --> 00:42:42,400
we have now um about five minutes before

1044
00:42:46,950 --> 00:42:44,640
we go to our break

1045
00:42:49,190 --> 00:42:46,960
bob any closing remarks before we turn

1046
00:42:51,589 --> 00:42:49,200
it over to our panel

1047
00:42:56,390 --> 00:42:51,599
i just want to thank everybody

1048
00:42:57,950 --> 00:42:56,400
out there who has donated to this effort

1049
00:43:00,870 --> 00:42:57,960
i i consider it a personal

1050
00:43:04,870 --> 00:43:00,880
responsibility because i had the

1051
00:43:08,309 --> 00:43:06,230
and uh

1052
00:43:10,710 --> 00:43:08,319
these incidents that we'll be talking

1053
00:43:13,589 --> 00:43:10,720
about including my own uh are well

1054
00:43:17,589 --> 00:43:13,599
documented or well supported

1055
00:43:19,510 --> 00:43:17,599
uh they really happen they're real

1056
00:43:21,589 --> 00:43:19,520
and

1057
00:43:24,550 --> 00:43:21,599
again i want to thank everyone because

1058
00:43:27,190 --> 00:43:24,560
this has been a grassroots effort it's

1059
00:43:30,710 --> 00:43:27,200
we've had so many donors come forward uh

1060
00:43:34,470 --> 00:43:30,720
some very generous donors by the way um

1061
00:43:36,790 --> 00:43:34,480
and uh but i appreciate all of them um

1062
00:43:38,829 --> 00:43:36,800
we are going to do the absolute best job

1063
00:43:42,550 --> 00:43:38,839
we can

1064
00:43:45,030 --> 00:43:42,560
of making a strong uh case

1065
00:43:47,750 --> 00:43:45,040
uh for open hearings

1066
00:43:48,710 --> 00:43:47,760
and uh that's our only purpose

1067
00:43:50,309 --> 00:43:48,720
uh

1068
00:43:52,950 --> 00:43:50,319
to get to congress to take this

1069
00:43:56,390 --> 00:43:52,960
seriously because if they don't

1070
00:43:58,309 --> 00:43:56,400
uh they will be uh

1071
00:44:01,910 --> 00:43:58,319
let's say stymied

1072
00:44:03,510 --> 00:44:01,920
uh by those keeping the secrets uh and

1073
00:44:04,790 --> 00:44:03,520
they're gonna drag their feet as long as

1074
00:44:08,470 --> 00:44:04,800
they can

1075
00:44:10,470 --> 00:44:08,480
uh unless we give them a push so yeah

1076
00:44:11,589 --> 00:44:10,480
this is what we're trying to do

1077
00:44:15,270 --> 00:44:11,599
thank you

1078
00:44:16,790 --> 00:44:15,280
bravo my friend um gentlemen ryan jason

1079
00:44:18,870 --> 00:44:16,800
shane

1080
00:44:20,390 --> 00:44:18,880
sum up your thoughts or

1081
00:44:21,270 --> 00:44:20,400
the floor is yours for the next three

1082
00:44:22,550 --> 00:44:21,280
minutes

1083
00:44:24,550 --> 00:44:22,560
go nuts

1084
00:44:27,910 --> 00:44:24,560
well bob i just wanted to say thank you

1085
00:44:29,910 --> 00:44:27,920
um about seven years ago when i first

1086
00:44:33,349 --> 00:44:29,920
met my my partner

1087
00:44:36,150 --> 00:44:33,359
uh i had been very timid to tell

1088
00:44:38,630 --> 00:44:36,160
dates that i was a ufo researcher but

1089
00:44:40,870 --> 00:44:38,640
when i first met her and i told her i

1090
00:44:42,870 --> 00:44:40,880
was a ufo researcher i expected her to

1091
00:44:45,190 --> 00:44:42,880
walk away and never talk to me and her

1092
00:44:49,270 --> 00:44:45,200
first question for me was have you ever

1093
00:44:51,030 --> 00:44:49,280
read faded giant i'm not kidding

1094
00:44:53,030 --> 00:44:51,040
i knew it was meant to be

1095
00:44:54,309 --> 00:44:53,040
we've been together ever since so i have

1096
00:44:56,950 --> 00:44:54,319
to thank you

1097
00:44:59,190 --> 00:44:56,960
for uh for that i truly do and for many

1098
00:45:01,109 --> 00:44:59,200
other things as well where does one find

1099
00:45:06,309 --> 00:45:01,119
a girl like that

1100
00:45:10,230 --> 00:45:08,470
that's great that's a great story she

1101
00:45:13,030 --> 00:45:10,240
read it before you did

1102
00:45:16,950 --> 00:45:14,950
well i just want to say congrats again

1103
00:45:18,230 --> 00:45:16,960
bob i mean i wish you all the luck in

1104
00:45:21,270 --> 00:45:18,240
the world with this thing i think it's

1105
00:45:23,349 --> 00:45:21,280
hugely important so i do hope the press

1106
00:45:25,990 --> 00:45:23,359
and the government uh pay attention and

1107
00:45:27,910 --> 00:45:26,000
take it seriously and

1108
00:45:29,589 --> 00:45:27,920
thank you again for for

1109
00:45:32,230 --> 00:45:29,599
you know telling people how they can can

1110
00:45:33,829 --> 00:45:32,240
donate to to help make this event uh

1111
00:45:35,589 --> 00:45:33,839
more impactful and thank you for the

1112
00:45:37,270 --> 00:45:35,599
generous offer about the book i'm going

1113
00:45:39,109 --> 00:45:37,280
to have to look into that

1114
00:45:40,470 --> 00:45:39,119
okay great

1115
00:45:42,630 --> 00:45:40,480
shane

1116
00:45:44,870 --> 00:45:42,640
yeah same same for me bob thank you so

1117
00:45:46,630 --> 00:45:44,880
much for doing this and and i do

1118
00:45:50,230 --> 00:45:46,640
appreciate the book offer and i'm going

1119
00:45:51,030 --> 00:45:50,240
to take you up on that myself but um

1120
00:45:54,710 --> 00:45:51,040
yeah

1121
00:45:58,630 --> 00:45:54,720
it's uh i i can't think really of a more

1122
00:46:01,589 --> 00:45:58,640
important facet of the uap issue than a

1123
00:46:03,589 --> 00:46:01,599
relationship with our nuclear facilities

1124
00:46:05,829 --> 00:46:03,599
and weapons that kind of thing so i

1125
00:46:08,309 --> 00:46:05,839
think it's hugely important and to me

1126
00:46:10,230 --> 00:46:08,319
it's almost a no-brainer that the

1127
00:46:12,069 --> 00:46:10,240
government itself and the media and

1128
00:46:16,069 --> 00:46:12,079
others would take that that's one of the

1129
00:46:17,750 --> 00:46:16,079
more serious aspects of uap and so i i

1130
00:46:22,390 --> 00:46:17,760
wish you the most success on this

1131
00:46:27,490 --> 00:46:25,270
thank you shane thank you all um uh